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Xenex Xclame · Apr 30, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

@Ropes, don't let all these people calling you a bad businessperson,a scammer,greedy or whatever get to you, not everyones is bad as they are,there are also nice people in this game.

Now on to what you did , as holababe pointed out the reason buyer1 called you a scammer is because there is a scam somewhat like that.

1)It revolves around you being in a (this case town) LA1 for example and having a friend there also you offer to sell something at 50K.

2)You get someone(buyer1) that really wants to buy item and says he will buy it.

3)At this point you let your friend know that he should act,which he does is by offering 60K
(and as any normal person would do, you decided you want to make more money so you want to buyer that is offering more)

4)You let buyer1 know that someone (buyer2) has offered more,so you are gonna sell it to him.( like you kindly did)

5)At which point buyer one can do 2 things,
A)offer more in the hopes that you haven't already sold it and that you will take his higher offer.
B)Walk away and lose out on the item he wanted.

This can easily be repeated a few times as long the buyer1 keeps choosing for option A, it just repeats from 3 to 5.

Now that you know Why he called you a scammer, you can keep that in mind next time this happens.

Tannim · Apr 30, 2007, 04:18 AM // 04:18

@Xenex: It's really ironic when you call good people, bad people

Even with proofs to back up everything. I am sorry that reality escapes some people, but that is by choice

Lemme know when you decide to join. I'll show you the ropes

shrouded^god · Apr 30, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42

Its happened to me a few times..the other day I was going to purchase several tomes for a set price after someone was spamming selling with 'pm offer' so...I grabbed the cash, jogged to them and opened trade...they hit cancel and said 'Sorry, someone offered more' which had me annoyed but honestly...90% of players would go with the higher offer...so it didnt erk me too bad.

jpdiaz_diaz · Apr 30, 2007, 04:50 AM // 04:50

We'll i think he was not a scammer but i agree on he's not a good trader... even if you lose some gold on an item once you say yes... thats a deal right... first come first serve... even if someone else gives you a better deal!!!

Etta · Apr 30, 2007, 07:44 AM // 07:44

That's why I don't trade in game anymore, unless they're guildies. Guru Auction page is FTW.

Patrick Smit · Apr 30, 2007, 07:57 AM // 07:57

Comeon, its just market economy, the deal isnt sealed untill the hammer has hit the table. Here people have different conceptions when the hammer hit the wood, and that is creating some different opinions on it.

Basically the deal is being signed when both agree in the trade window, the rest is just part of the trading ritual. I'm an honest guy but saying that the deal is amde when u say yes, is scrap too, imagine that u make a mistake in typing or find out the item is worth much more. Canceling the deal would be flawed? You could also accuse the potential buyer that he didnt warn the seller that he is asking an extreme low price. But no, then it is considered good salesmenship. Sorry the deal is made when both agree in the trade window, not before, not after. Like making up a contract is worth nothing, however the actual signing by both parties validates the process.
If u use an out of game trading procedure u might discuss this, but thats why i am in favor of an in game auction house, which Anet will not make, for whatever reason

daraaksii · Apr 30, 2007, 08:46 AM // 08:46

Of course that's not a scam, and A-net don't care about scammers.

Miss Persephone · Apr 30, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

People are getting awfully upset over nothing here.

Nothing is a deal until the trade window is open and both players have accepted the trade. No matter if you say 'deal', it isn't until the trade is complete. Unlucky for the first buyer, and perhaps bad trading etiquette but thats as far as it goes.

Have any of you considered that perhaps the item was being offered far below its market value, and that buyer 1 was annoyed because he missed out on the biggest deal of his GW career? Perhaps buyer 2 was offering a much more reasonable price.

If a seller ever tries to tell me 'someone is offering more' I say fine, and walk away. If they are lying, they lost a deal; if not, then I'll find someone else selling for the price I want to pay.

Lucifer PVP · Apr 30, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

you are not a scammer the random person was an idiot, happens alot. Sort of like the people that offer you more gold/ecto then you are asking.

lakatz · Apr 30, 2007, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame

@Ropes, don't let all these people calling you a bad businessperson,a scammer,greedy or whatever get to you, not everyones is bad as they are,there are also nice people in this game.

Now on to what you did , as holababe pointed out the reason buyer1 called you a scammer is because there is a scam somewhat like that.

1)It revolves around you being in a (this case town) LA1 for example and having a friend there also you offer to sell something at 50K.

2)You get someone(buyer1) that really wants to buy item and says he will buy it.

3)At this point you let your friend know that he should act,which he does is by offering 60K
(and as any normal person would do, you decided you want to make more money so you want to buyer that is offering more)

4)You let buyer1 know that someone (buyer2) has offered more,so you are gonna sell it to him.( like you kindly did)

5)At which point buyer one can do 2 things,
A)offer more in the hopes that you haven't already sold it and that you will take his higher offer.
B)Walk away and lose out on the item he wanted.

This can easily be repeated a few times as long the buyer1 keeps choosing for option A, it just repeats from 3 to 5.

Now that you know Why he called you a scammer, you can keep that in mind next time this happens.

You're rewriting history here. This isn't the story the OP told. Rewriting history doesn't ever make it right. He wasn't bartering or auctioning. He told the first buyer "Deal," and then backed out of it. Period.

martialis · Apr 30, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

People are opinionated.

That kind of stuff is unacceptable on a trade forum. You'll receive bad feedback and eventually be banned, but it's fine in-game. Definitely not a scam.

TedTheDead · Apr 30, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

You guys are insane. If someone offers me a free cheeseburger I eat it.

Smile Like Umean It · Apr 30, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by TedTheDead

You guys are insane. If someone offers me a free cheeseburger I eat it.

And this relates to the OP how?

MagicWarrior · Apr 30, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Not a scam... but it's really poor trade etiquette.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Apr 30, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Other than telling randomguy1 that you had a deal, you acted reasonably.

Just be careful next time about those virtual handshake deals, because people do have an expectation that they will be honored. It wasn't a scam, it's more an issue of observing business proprieties.

TedTheDead · Apr 30, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

And this relates to the OP how?

You dont like metaphores?

OP had the opportunity to make more money. Image that extra money he did not have to do anything at all to get was a free cheeseburger.

Now make the leap from one to the other at your own pace. If scared, step back and prepare again before additional attempt.

Masseur · Apr 30, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

He did nothing wrong obviously. Some people might not like it, but he is selling something for the best price, if someone outbids them, they can either bid higher or lose the item. The game is not a perfect environment, lag could have prevented the other buyer from responding in time, whatever. It's just a game.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Apr 30, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Simple life lesson, applies to virtual and real:

If you tell someone something, you should mean it.

If you say, "Deal" you take the honorable course by following through with your word.

Now, if you desire profit over virtue or honor, by all means disregard the rules of propriety. But realize that after awhile this will start to define the type of person you are in the eyes of other people. None of us are perfect, it is the standards set by our actions not the exceptions by which we are ultimately judged.

It is all in the difference between virtuous action and something "deemed" illegal. One can be lawful yet lack virtue and one can be unlawful and virtuous.

The OP didn't scam or do anything illegal, but he didn't act in a virtuous manner. The OP obviously senses this to a degree because apparently his doubts prompted him to make a post about it here on these forums.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 30, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38

wow after reading half of the crap in this thread....

Its a game people, if he wants to sell it for more let him... jeez
I'm sick of hearing all this not greedy shit, everyone is in this game -.-

Kuldebar Valiturus · Apr 30, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

wow after reading half of the crap in this thread....

Its a game people, if he wants to sell it for more let him... jeez
I'm sick of hearing all this not greedy shit, everyone is in this game -.-

No one is preventing him, the OP brought the subject up, he's the one that's asking the question and people are choosing to answer.

And something being a "game" doesn't remove it from the realm of human interaction.

Historically, games have been treated as sacred and even held to a higher standard than everyday actions. The reasoning is that rules of interaction matter even more in games because games are actually a much purer, concentrated and somewhat ritualistic rendition of the various struggles we can face within our lives.

I would venture to add that most conflicts and unsavory experiences that people have in the worlds of online gaming are largely caused by people thinking that "behavior doesn't matter" because it's "only a game".

In my mind there is no difference between playing a game of softball at the neighborhood ball park and playing an online game. The supposed sense of anonymity doesn't truly absolve the person's lack of civilized conduct. In many ways, the false security brought on by anonymous internet play just brings a person's true nature to the surface.

Apr 30, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09	#21
Xenex Xclame Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: DPX Profession: R/	@Ropes, don't let all these people calling you a bad businessperson,a scammer,greedy or whatever get to you, not everyones is bad as they are,there are also nice people in this game. Now on to what you did , as holababe pointed out the reason buyer1 called you a scammer is because there is a scam somewhat like that. 1)It revolves around you being in a (this case town) LA1 for example and having a friend there also you offer to sell something at 50K. 2)You get someone(buyer1) that really wants to buy item and says he will buy it. 3)At this point you let your friend know that he should act,which he does is by offering 60K (and as any normal person would do, you decided you want to make more money so you want to buyer that is offering more) 4)You let buyer1 know that someone (buyer2) has offered more,so you are gonna sell it to him.( like you kindly did) 5)At which point buyer one can do 2 things, A)offer more in the hopes that you haven't already sold it and that you will take his higher offer. B)Walk away and lose out on the item he wanted. This can easily be repeated a few times as long the buyer1 keeps choosing for option A, it just repeats from 3 to 5. Now that you know Why he called you a scammer, you can keep that in mind next time this happens. Last edited by Xenex Xclame; Apr 30, 2007 at 04:11 AM // 04:11..

Apr 30, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42	#23
shrouded^god IGN: J C A C H E Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 843 Guild: [Liar]	Its happened to me a few times..the other day I was going to purchase several tomes for a set price after someone was spamming selling with 'pm offer' so...I grabbed the cash, jogged to them and opened trade...they hit cancel and said 'Sorry, someone offered more' which had me annoyed but honestly...90% of players would go with the higher offer...so it didnt erk me too bad. __________________

Apr 30, 2007, 04:50 AM // 04:50	#24
jpdiaz_diaz Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Philippines Guild: Legion of the White Aguila Profession: W/Mo	Scam We'll i think he was not a scammer but i agree on he's not a good trader... even if you lose some gold on an item once you say yes... thats a deal right... first come first serve... even if someone else gives you a better deal!!!

Apr 30, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19	#29
Lucifer PVP Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Refuge From Exile [RFE] Refuge-From-Exile.com Profession: W/Mo	you are not a scammer the random person was an idiot, happens alot. Sort of like the people that offer you more gold/ecto then you are asking. Last edited by Lucifer PVP; Apr 30, 2007 at 02:28 PM // 14:28..

Apr 30, 2007, 04:18 AM // 04:18	#22
Tannim Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007	@Xenex: It's really ironic when you call good people, bad people Even with proofs to back up everything. I am sorry that reality escapes some people, but that is by choice Lemme know when you decide to join. I'll show you the ropes

Apr 30, 2007, 07:44 AM // 07:44	#25
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	That's why I don't trade in game anymore, unless they're guildies. Guru Auction page is FTW.

Apr 30, 2007, 07:57 AM // 07:57	#26
Patrick Smit Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: NiTe	Comeon, its just market economy, the deal isnt sealed untill the hammer has hit the table. Here people have different conceptions when the hammer hit the wood, and that is creating some different opinions on it. Basically the deal is being signed when both agree in the trade window, the rest is just part of the trading ritual. I'm an honest guy but saying that the deal is amde when u say yes, is scrap too, imagine that u make a mistake in typing or find out the item is worth much more. Canceling the deal would be flawed? You could also accuse the potential buyer that he didnt warn the seller that he is asking an extreme low price. But no, then it is considered good salesmenship. Sorry the deal is made when both agree in the trade window, not before, not after. Like making up a contract is worth nothing, however the actual signing by both parties validates the process. If u use an out of game trading procedure u might discuss this, but thats why i am in favor of an in game auction house, which Anet will not make, for whatever reason

Apr 30, 2007, 08:46 AM // 08:46	#27
daraaksii Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2005	Of course that's not a scam, and A-net don't care about scammers.

Apr 30, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40	#28
Miss Persephone Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005	People are getting awfully upset over nothing here. Nothing is a deal until the trade window is open and both players have accepted the trade. No matter if you say 'deal', it isn't until the trade is complete. Unlucky for the first buyer, and perhaps bad trading etiquette but thats as far as it goes. Have any of you considered that perhaps the item was being offered far below its market value, and that buyer 1 was annoyed because he missed out on the biggest deal of his GW career? Perhaps buyer 2 was offering a much more reasonable price. If a seller ever tries to tell me 'someone is offering more' I say fine, and walk away. If they are lying, they lost a deal; if not, then I'll find someone else selling for the price I want to pay.

Apr 30, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54	#31
martialis Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: RA, reporting you	People are opinionated. That kind of stuff is unacceptable on a trade forum. You'll receive bad feedback and eventually be banned, but it's fine in-game. Definitely not a scam.

Apr 30, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05	#32
TedTheDead Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: Sons of Metal Profession: N/	You guys are insane. If someone offers me a free cheeseburger I eat it.

Apr 30, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39	#34
MagicWarrior Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007	Not a scam... but it's really poor trade etiquette.

Apr 30, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02	#35
Kuldebar Valiturus Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Garden City, Idaho Guild: The Order of Relumination (TOoR) Profession: R/	Other than telling randomguy1 that you had a deal, you acted reasonably. Just be careful next time about those virtual handshake deals, because people do have an expectation that they will be honored. It wasn't a scam, it's more an issue of observing business proprieties.

Apr 30, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16	#37
Masseur Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southern California Profession: R/Mo	He did nothing wrong obviously. Some people might not like it, but he is selling something for the best price, if someone outbids them, they can either bid higher or lose the item. The game is not a perfect environment, lag could have prevented the other buyer from responding in time, whatever. It's just a game.

Apr 30, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31	#38
Kuldebar Valiturus Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Garden City, Idaho Guild: The Order of Relumination (TOoR) Profession: R/	Simple life lesson, applies to virtual and real: If you tell someone something, you should mean it. If you say, "Deal" you take the honorable course by following through with your word. Now, if you desire profit over virtue or honor, by all means disregard the rules of propriety. But realize that after awhile this will start to define the type of person you are in the eyes of other people. None of us are perfect, it is the standards set by our actions not the exceptions by which we are ultimately judged. It is all in the difference between virtuous action and something "deemed" illegal. One can be lawful yet lack virtue and one can be unlawful and virtuous. The OP didn't scam or do anything illegal, but he didn't act in a virtuous manner. The OP obviously senses this to a degree because apparently his doubts prompted him to make a post about it here on these forums.

Apr 30, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38	#39
ShadowsRequiem Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] ToA Profession: W/E	wow after reading half of the crap in this thread.... Its a game people, if he wants to sell it for more let him... jeez I'm sick of hearing all this not greedy shit, everyone is in this game -.-